It is painful how relevant this one is
People don’t only love macs because they’re shiny, so no, it’s not really relevant.
people love mac?
A lot of people, yes. About one in four computers bought in the us is a mac, and many more people would love them even more if they were not so expensive.
look at ALL those likes you have… =P
Apple is garbagest. Microsoft is less garbager. Here’s to hoping SteamOS can fulfill all my OS needs. End of story.
except for the fact where macs cant run jack shit. PC is master race after all
Macs can boot into Winduds, Linux or the MacOS which is the only unix available that isn’t for mainframe use. With virtual ware Macs can run all those operating systems at the same time, and can run versions of Windows that today’s PC cannot.
For someone so sure of themselves, you’ll have to tell me why it is that an Intel Xeon with a Dell logo (or no logo) can run “Everything” except the MacOS, and yet the Mac can run all those things as well as its own OS, and the 12 core Xeons and 10Gbit bus for SSD only systems and 5K screens are already built in.
Tell us what else you don’t know!
In addition – compare the cheapest Intel MACHINE vs. the Mac Mini. You get a better CPU than the Intel machine, and a video card (vs Intel’s 4000 or 4400 or 5000 only) and more RAM – for less money than their machine — and it comes with the most advanced “pure, certified Unix” on the planet – not a “unix-like” operating system like Ubuntu (which I’d take over Winduds 7, 8, 8.1 any day – such disgusting bloatware).
And the XBox? That uses the processor that the Macintosh ABANDONED in 2006.
Dollar for dollar, within the next 12 months, you’re going to see ass-busting ARM-based systems that are completely redesigned, as they have been since the iPhone 3GS (as does Broadcom) – except that these 64 bit ARMs are going to be so powerful and have a performance/watt and $$$ ratio, that only a Freescale e6500 or IBM Power8 architecture can match (PowerPC architecture v2.06+) – and will be fully capable of running head to head with an i7 quad.
Finally… those processors in the F-22 ??? There are over 800 of them. They aren’t Intel. They ARE what the Macs used from 1999 until 2006. You know it as the “G4” – others know it as the PowerPC 7448 at 1.25, 1.5, 1.7 and 2GHz, and it is now known as the e600 core in single and dual core (PowerPC v1.0 architecture).
Those chips exist because of the relative handful that IBM used for their mainframes, and the mass number that the Macs used from 1994 – forward.
The current e6500 core of the PowerPC by Freescale (the Motorola chip division that was spun off) are 3 thread, 12 core beasts with incredibly low power use, each having the same vector unit that took Intel to get over 2x the speed with a Pentium 4 and its own vector unit, to finally pass the Mac in performance in 2003.
Those Freescale chips are what Apple was waiting for, but Freescale took 4 extra years to get them to 22nm, and Apple decided not to wait.
Those chips are what power all the avionics in the SuperHornet F-18 and ALL of the F-35 fighters that we are waiting on for delivery and final spec approval. Problems which are not related to the chip – they are Lockheed issues, as the programming for the systems on the F-22 and the F-35 are identical in several areas because of the obvious nature of economics and using the same platform on the JSF Joint Strike Fighter and the F-22.
The PowerPC and the high end (the very top, $9K per Xeon) work so well together, that after each mission, an 80 core 3U rack mount Xeon is plugged into the fighter to download the mission that was made possible by the “vector unit” (SSE4.2 & AVX in Intel language) and mission parameters that are fully software driven are compared to any pilot intervention and/or escape/evade that were necessary.
The E9 series of military Xeons have something beyond AVX2. But unlike the Xeon, the PowerPCs in either format can all sit on the same die, and can run any number of cores for an OS, a different OS, a dedicated program, as can the vector units (otherwise known as dedicated FPUs where prior, digital signal processing applications would have used the Analog Devices “SHARC” – the PowerPC G4 has been KILLING Analog Devices business – because one gets two processors in one for the same price.
The new Freescale e6500 in 12 core (and now with the IBM Power8 out, it may see some upgrades in the Freescale version as well) is 2/3rds the power of an 8 core, 4 thread Power7.
The Freescale has so much Level 1 and 2 and 3 ram on board for cache (and the IBM Power7+ has 10MB per core, vs. 512K on the best Xeon, and the Power8 runs 8 threads, standardized on 8MB of cache per core (again, vs. a total of 2.5 to 15MB of shared cache for a 6 core processor, the PowerPC has 128MB in the 16 core config, which can be protected or shared, and the next level is also on the die – and the Xeon is OFF Chip.
THE POINT OF ALL THIS BEING — that the Mac started it all, and my Mac from 1997 will run the Mac OS that was issued in 2010 – on the PowerPC. Any Windows machine that could run Win95b or 98SE was still a piece of crap by 2001. Win2000 (NT5) was the best OS that M$ ever issued, and the improvements in manufacturing scale and what IBM has done caused Sony, M$ itself, the PENTAGON and several large univerities to all switch to PLAYSTATIONS to get those PowerPC processors running Linux for deep space and US Air Force data analysis. NOT Intel and not Windows ANYTHING.
I have a Machine from 1997 that will run Mac OS 10.5.x, and I have a laptop with a Pentium 3 from Dell that has 224MB of RAM (max it can run) vs. the 1GB IBM/Motorola and Apple made for the PowerPC to run, even using G3s (without the vector unit).
I don’t know what software you are running on your “peecee” at home, but you really should familiarize yourself with electronics before making idiot statements like “Macs can’t run shiit” – because whenever I decide to (and I don’t – I just use VMWare and boot faster yet) to boot into anything from XP sp1 to Win8.1, all I have to do is hold down one key during boot, and I can choose any operating system under the sun to boot from, and you? You cannot.
And yet you’re a PC guy, right? It doesn’t matter if you’re an AMD peecee guy or an Intel peecee guy.
Right now I’m typing on an i7 MacBook Pro quadcore with a 512GB SSD made from multi-layer NAND by Toshiba. It’s running the most advanced OS on the planet in MacOS 10.10, but whatever you’re running under Win7, 8 or 8.1 – I could run in virtual mode with less than a 4% speed hit because of the SSD, and on a MacPro — the little round machine with twin video cards and 12 cores of high end E5800 Xeon, is nearly a 3 teraflop machine, and the SSD is faster than what is (but not yet out) the spec for SATA IV.
Apple’s stock is worth $750 billion – double the value of the Fortune #2 and 3 stocks COMBINED (Exxon is #2, in case you were unaware) and Apple has enough cash to either buy half of Exxon, or ALL of Ford AND General Motors, and still have $100 billion in CASH left over.
Apple could buy Intel ($159 billion), and turn them into their personal chip division if such insanity made any fiscal sense — and STILL have $50 billion in cash left over (to buy Ford OR GM, or Dell @$25 billion) if that helps you comprehend what you have demonstrated you initially do not know anything about.
Apple will have $150 billion in sales in 2015. Profit on those sales is just under 40% of revenue. Given the sales numbers vs Intel, IBM, Microsoft, etc., every employee contributes 10x the value compared to the person doing the same job at those other companies.
They are the biggest company (most valuable) on planet EARTH. They have more cash than any other company on EARTH. The stock could NEVER fall lower than $35 (from $125 today) if they chose to STOP MAKING OR SELLING ANYTHING!!! – because of the value of all the cash and their other assets alone, as they are debt free (not including the minor bond issue at peanuts rates to buy back stock in such a way that it already paid for itself at $30 per share when they executed it — because the stock – already at a high price, went up another 30% just in the past 12 weeks, let alone what the buy price was last year when they bought back the stock with borrowed money at single digit interest rates to do so!!).
IF YOU LEARN ANYTHING from this lengthy post about the computer industry, learn this: Apple runs it – and Apple OWNS it. And because Apple pushes it — from the ARM side (it took other companies including Samsung who MAKES the chip for Apple to figure out how to make their own 64bit phone chip, and then they still had to use the stock design, not an advanced design as is the Tegra by QualComm and the Apple A series and M series ARM chips for phone and iPad and AppleTV).
You can believe whatever nonsense you choose to, but you can verify every number and every fact in EE Times, IEEE, Fortune,Bloomberg, AViation Week & Space Technology (did you know that the Mars rovers all use hardened versions of the G3, that were in the first iMacs back in 1997, running at just 30-60MHz?? (depending on the space craft) and that virtually EVERY space craft meant for beyond 100 miles above the surface of the earth USES G3 chips (and now some G4 / e600s) and NOT Intel or AMD chips?
So in addition to those military aviation, industry news for computer and electrical engineers as well as the Wall Street bibles for the consumer to read about Wall Street — try OCCASIONALLY reading SOMETHING other than what another uninformed fanboy like yourself is typing, just because Apple doesn’t cater to people who put $800 video cards in their box machines – they cater to the people that are animating the games, movies, photographers and musicians – and Steve Jobs OWNING Pixar until he sold it to Disney – to become the single largest shareholder of Disney — including more than any Disney family member (now it is owned by his widow) changed the way that all animation is done for games and movies – my Pixar/Disney and DreamWorx – because of what he did with the NeXT Operating System while creating Toy Story, the OS which became OS X, and the $16 billion from Pixar to Disney that became his wife’s (and that doesn’t even include calculating in Apple!).
Nope – not as much as Gates on an individual basis – but that isn’t what we are talking about here. We’re talking about electronics YOU can buy, what’s used inside it, and what’s the same that started out as a Macintosh??
And those things include, the XBox, the Playstation, and the F-22 and the F-35 (and virtually every private/executive jet, made here, Europe and even RUSSIA, which were granted use of the G4, same as in the F-22, back in 1999, to run the avionics and radar of private and commercial jets – even though it can also be used (especially back then, as it was the most powerful commercial chip available with export controls) because — it can be used to simulate nuclear detonations and their yields.
China, once they began building machines with the G4 in it, were using Apple machines in extended series, because the PowerPC can be built in clusters of 256 cores to a “machine” and (then) up to 256,000 cores to a building full of machines to act as a single computer.
Now, that number is 750,000 cores using a PowerPC – an SMP number, with thread and cache on chip that is simply not equal to anyone but IBM — and THIS YEAR, IBM decided to let Tyan make a board for the Power8, and another chip maker to manufacture Power8 chips up to 8 cores. That’s never been done before. Users only LEASED PowerPC cores for the mainframe, they NEVER were permitted to OWN them.
Today there are 15 year old Power5 and Power6 cores (that can still use Power7 and Power8 upgrades!!!) -that a small bank machine like an AS400 or RS 6000, can blow away any game box around that isn’t a cluster of 12-20 Xeon cores.
And I don’t know of any “gamers” out there using 2 core boards, or the $20,000 8 or 10 core boards (each that take a $10K CPU and have room for Phi cards – one for every pair of CPUs) in making 12-15 Teraflop game machines at between $50 and $100,000 each.
But you can get a dual CPU Xeon and 64GB of RAM and twin NVidia cards, in a container no larger than the size of a gallon of milk – and you could order it tonight (Friday) and have it by Tuesday.
Or walk in to any one of hundreds of Apple stores, and walk out with the computer you could only dream of owning, for not a lot more than what you could build – and have to hand-lap your CPUs, hope they were batched properly and matched, attach your liquid cooling systems and pray for no leaks (I said liquid, not water) – and then add your 4GB DDR5 SLI cards.
And if you can bother to use dual SLIs for a gaming machine, and aren’t in a wheelchair because of a car accident or some other tragedy or birth defect….? Then you are a total loser for living your life to play video games, vs the value of a consumer/heavy commercial series CPU and spending an entire weekend at the Bunny Ranch – just to know what sex feels like, at least ONCE in your life.
b8 was a success.
Not really – I just cut 7 paste it. Your type are a dime a dozen! Those AIM Alliance CPUs are also a success! Remember that next time you see a US fighter jet.
besides I knew most of that, the only reason I dont use Macs is the UI just doesn’t click with me, that and most games wont run on macs.
You don’t like the Ux that inspired all the others. Riiight. Good answer.
The “gamer” part of the answer explains even more. I’d drop the tried and true virginity joke and your mother’s basement, but it’s too easy, and by now, your porn collection surely surpasses your game collection!
You put out the “bait” like the master baiter you are! Congrats! See you at the big LAN party at the H.I.! (actually, I won’t)
not really. just never liked it, i mean I should my elementary school used macs a lot but it just didn’t. also what is H.I? no really I only find stuff on hotels.
on regards to your virginity comment: i don’t really care or really want to have sex, so there’s that.
oh P.S. opinions on Intel vs AMD? or do you prefer another processor? I use AMD myself because Intel tends to be overpriced for the same shit. and on the porn comment, that wastes memory and only a fucking retard would actually bother doing that, i mean the risk of a virus is so high
you talking like apple is paying to speak … DONT!
YOU talking like Colonial English wasn’t thorough enough!
You had me at 3.5″ floppy.
…that came out all wrong.
Forgot to ask about the megapixies…..
Jesus Christ, shut the fuck up
😀 This is boss!
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